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		<title>By: nagster</title>
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		<dc:creator>nagster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a perspective from George Krutz who was FGNA president at the time of the Baniel Lawsuit. The material about the lawsuit is lower down on the page:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://feldenkrais-method.org/en/node/1053&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
http://feldenkrais-method.org/en/node/1053&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a perspective from George Krutz who was FGNA president at the time of the Baniel Lawsuit. The material about the lawsuit is lower down on the page:<br />
<a  href="http://feldenkrais-method.org/en/node/1053" rel="nofollow"><br />
</a><a  href="http://feldenkrais-method.org/en/node/1053" rel="nofollow">http://feldenkrais-method.org/en/node/1053</a></p>
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		<title>By: nagster</title>
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		<dc:creator>nagster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Violet - There is a long history here, and teasing out fact-based statements based on historical documents and not hubris and self-interest can be difficult. 

I&#039;m slowly working my way through sources, but do not have a full understanding as of yet. I can say that there was a &quot;Guild&quot; and a separate &quot;Foundation&quot; with different origination dates and bylaws and such- and god knows what else. Moshe was angry at one organization at one time or another and, quite frankly, didn&#039;t have the slightest idea what he was doing or what he wanted (In my opinion).

The service marks are actually a separate issue from the guild and foundation. That is, Moshe owned the terms outright, they were in his name. The question is what his intentions were regarding them, whether he wanted to turn them over to an organization such as the guild or not.

Anat Baniel started a lawsuit against the guild saying in part:

 &quot;The complaint seeks cancellation based upon the Guild&#039;s fraudulent
 registrations of the marks Feldenkrais and the Feldenkrais Method,&quot;

Whatever one might say for or against Anat, for or against her motivations, she is a very astute business person. I&#039;m skeptical that she would have started a lawsuit without some evidence or way of proving her assertions. And the fact remains that the FGNA blinked and settled out of court, choosing not to affirm via court action that they did in fact own the service marks outright. Interesting choice.

Much of this info can be found on the FeldyForum archives maintained by Ralph Strauch. Though it takes some digging

cheers - Ryan

(also a secondary part of Anat&#039;s lawsuit was that the service marks had become generic.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Violet &#8211; There is a long history here, and teasing out fact-based statements based on historical documents and not hubris and self-interest can be difficult. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m slowly working my way through sources, but do not have a full understanding as of yet. I can say that there was a &#8220;Guild&#8221; and a separate &#8220;Foundation&#8221; with different origination dates and bylaws and such- and god knows what else. Moshe was angry at one organization at one time or another and, quite frankly, didn&#8217;t have the slightest idea what he was doing or what he wanted (In my opinion).</p>
<p>The service marks are actually a separate issue from the guild and foundation. That is, Moshe owned the terms outright, they were in his name. The question is what his intentions were regarding them, whether he wanted to turn them over to an organization such as the guild or not.</p>
<p>Anat Baniel started a lawsuit against the guild saying in part:</p>
<p> &#8220;The complaint seeks cancellation based upon the Guild&#8217;s fraudulent<br />
 registrations of the marks Feldenkrais and the Feldenkrais Method,&#8221;</p>
<p>Whatever one might say for or against Anat, for or against her motivations, she is a very astute business person. I&#8217;m skeptical that she would have started a lawsuit without some evidence or way of proving her assertions. And the fact remains that the FGNA blinked and settled out of court, choosing not to affirm via court action that they did in fact own the service marks outright. Interesting choice.</p>
<p>Much of this info can be found on the FeldyForum archives maintained by Ralph Strauch. Though it takes some digging</p>
<p>cheers &#8211; Ryan</p>
<p>(also a secondary part of Anat&#8217;s lawsuit was that the service marks had become generic.)</p>
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		<title>By: nagster</title>
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		<dc:creator>nagster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Violet - Thanks so much for posting that! I have been thinking about listening to that podcast again. Part of my hope in provoking conversations about all this is to get more people &quot;on record&quot; and to do so in a way that allows others to follow along and contribute. 

The problem with the FeldyForum is that it is private and conversations tend to get lost. And the Guild website - as of yet - does not have interactivity and the ability to make comments. Plus, in my view, an organization should not be the sole repository of its own history and documents - to easy for groupthink to set in.

Look forward to adding more later - Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Violet &#8211; Thanks so much for posting that! I have been thinking about listening to that podcast again. Part of my hope in provoking conversations about all this is to get more people &#8220;on record&#8221; and to do so in a way that allows others to follow along and contribute. </p>
<p>The problem with the FeldyForum is that it is private and conversations tend to get lost. And the Guild website &#8211; as of yet &#8211; does not have interactivity and the ability to make comments. Plus, in my view, an organization should not be the sole repository of its own history and documents &#8211; to easy for groupthink to set in.</p>
<p>Look forward to adding more later &#8211; Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Violet van Hees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet van Hees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan.  Here is a transcription from your podcast “A conversation with Bonnie Humiston”, posted May 1, 2009 (from minutes 10:55 to 11:40): 

&quot; … Moshe organized the Guild at the end of the San Francisco training [1977]. And he selected the original Board of Directors, and he gave his ideas about what the Guild should be doing.  And he was actually the President of the Guild for those first few years.  And then it was a working board that did all the work, but he was the original president.  So the Guild was very much at his beck and call, so to speak, in those early years.  It as officially incorporated in January 1978.  But the Board began meeting in August 1977 at the end of the training program there. …&quot;  

I would be interested to see the stated purpose of the Guild in its charter document(s) when it incorporated.  And I would REALLY like to know more from those who were on the Guild Board in those years between when the Guild was established in 1977 and Moshe&#039;s death, about (using Bonnie&#039;s words) Moshe&#039;s &quot;ideas about what the Guild should be doing&quot;. 

By the way Ryan, thanks very much for producing and making freely available all your podcasts.  These are valuable.  I found this particular podcast with Bonnie to be a very useful &quot;short history&quot; of the FGNA, the Feldenkrais Foundation (which predated the Guild and was set up by Moshe), and the IFF - with a lot of information I have never heard or seen so clearly described anywhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan.  Here is a transcription from your podcast “A conversation with Bonnie Humiston”, posted May 1, 2009 (from minutes 10:55 to 11:40): </p>
<p>&#8221; … Moshe organized the Guild at the end of the San Francisco training [1977]. And he selected the original Board of Directors, and he gave his ideas about what the Guild should be doing.  And he was actually the President of the Guild for those first few years.  And then it was a working board that did all the work, but he was the original president.  So the Guild was very much at his beck and call, so to speak, in those early years.  It as officially incorporated in January 1978.  But the Board began meeting in August 1977 at the end of the training program there. …&#8221;  </p>
<p>I would be interested to see the stated purpose of the Guild in its charter document(s) when it incorporated.  And I would REALLY like to know more from those who were on the Guild Board in those years between when the Guild was established in 1977 and Moshe&#8217;s death, about (using Bonnie&#8217;s words) Moshe&#8217;s &#8220;ideas about what the Guild should be doing&#8221;. </p>
<p>By the way Ryan, thanks very much for producing and making freely available all your podcasts.  These are valuable.  I found this particular podcast with Bonnie to be a very useful &#8220;short history&#8221; of the FGNA, the Feldenkrais Foundation (which predated the Guild and was set up by Moshe), and the IFF &#8211; with a lot of information I have never heard or seen so clearly described anywhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: nagster</title>
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		<dc:creator>nagster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all - Apparently, my own comments are being marked as spam, so some comments that I made yesterday or even earlier have only recently shown up. My apologies. 

Violet - To me, the origin of the Guild has less to do with what Moshe wanted and much more to deal with what his early students felt they needed to do to protect their own financial interests. The service marks were an attempt by a small few who wanted to control the work and the service marks for their own financial gain. If you or anyone else can point me to specific, verifiable information that suggests that Moshe wanted and was planning for a strong guild,  I would be happy to re-consider and to re-publish it for others to view. 

I am not aware of Moshe taking specific steps to transfer the service marks to the guild. He certainly had plenty of opportunity to do so in the years prior to his death.  Presumably, he had a death bed conversion in the presence of David Bersin and decided to transfer the service marks. Who am I to argue otherwise? I wasn&#039;t there and I do not know. 

 Thanks again for posting - Ryan

By the way - Here is something to consider. In the 1970&#039;s Moshe was teaching the Esalen workshop, yes? He was in his 70&#039;s - 73  years old I believe. He had been working and developing his work for decades. Even so, he had not registered or trademarked his terms. To me that doesn&#039;t sound like a man who was trying to protect his work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all &#8211; Apparently, my own comments are being marked as spam, so some comments that I made yesterday or even earlier have only recently shown up. My apologies. </p>
<p>Violet &#8211; To me, the origin of the Guild has less to do with what Moshe wanted and much more to deal with what his early students felt they needed to do to protect their own financial interests. The service marks were an attempt by a small few who wanted to control the work and the service marks for their own financial gain. If you or anyone else can point me to specific, verifiable information that suggests that Moshe wanted and was planning for a strong guild,  I would be happy to re-consider and to re-publish it for others to view. </p>
<p>I am not aware of Moshe taking specific steps to transfer the service marks to the guild. He certainly had plenty of opportunity to do so in the years prior to his death.  Presumably, he had a death bed conversion in the presence of David Bersin and decided to transfer the service marks. Who am I to argue otherwise? I wasn&#8217;t there and I do not know. </p>
<p> Thanks again for posting &#8211; Ryan</p>
<p>By the way &#8211; Here is something to consider. In the 1970&#8242;s Moshe was teaching the Esalen workshop, yes? He was in his 70&#8242;s &#8211; 73  years old I believe. He had been working and developing his work for decades. Even so, he had not registered or trademarked his terms. To me that doesn&#8217;t sound like a man who was trying to protect his work.</p>
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		<title>By: nagster</title>
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		<dc:creator>nagster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob - If you would like to rephrase your post without engaging in mind reading and telling my that I am confused and frustrated, I might be willing to respond in detail. This is not the FeldyForum, please keep your comments fact-based and specifically regarding the matter at hand.

You are the President of the FGNA. Conduct yourself accordingly. 

Thanks - Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob &#8211; If you would like to rephrase your post without engaging in mind reading and telling my that I am confused and frustrated, I might be willing to respond in detail. This is not the FeldyForum, please keep your comments fact-based and specifically regarding the matter at hand.</p>
<p>You are the President of the FGNA. Conduct yourself accordingly. </p>
<p>Thanks &#8211; Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 03:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ryan,

Your posting has come to the attention of the Board of the Feldenkrais Guild, and we thought we would like to add some information that may be helpful to you.  As the Chair of the Board I would like to encourage you to contact me, or any member of the Board, or our Executive Director, Jan LaRue if you have any questions. We can give you the most accurate information.

In your post you express  a significant degree of confusion and frustration about not being aware of the directions that the Guild is going, and how it is getting there. A significant reason underlying this frustration is that you have chosen to not be a member of the Guild, and thus have not been a part of discussions with the Guild’s newsletter, InTouch, and the bi-weekly communications, FGNA News.

As you seem to have had some difficulty finding who can give you accurate information about the Feldenkrais Guild, I thought I would give you some guidance on how to get information. If you were to reply that it is hard to find this information — I agree wholeheartedly. In fact there is a team of representatives from the Council of Regional Representatives that has been working on redesigning and reorganizing the Guild website. And one of the top priorities of the Guild this year is to actualize all this preliminary work.

The priorities for the Feldenkrais Guild this year are as follows:

2010 FGNA Board Priorities
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Develop an attractive and technically capable web site

Continue to improve financial stability of FGNA

Improve Member Service

Improve the culture and contact of FGNA

Support an effective process for changing training policy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For more information, go to: http://www.feldenkrais.com/resources/board_priorities_2010. This was sent to all members of the Guild.

Getting information about the Feldenkrais Guild is not too difficult at present (it will be better in the future). What is valuable about these links is that  you find e-mail addresses of many of the volunteers in the organization. All of us are happy to help to clarify any questions you may have.

How to get information:
Go to http://www.feldenkrais.com
Click on the link, &quot;the Profession&quot;
A drop-down menu appears with 5 options
Select &quot;About the Feldenkrais Guild of North America&quot;

On the left side are a number of links about the profession.
On the right are several links about the people who participate in formal activities -- the Board, the Council of Regional representatives, and Other Volunteer Positions.

http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/fgna/2010_fgna_board_of_directors
All of the members of the Board of Directors, with e-mail addresses and telephone numbers.

http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/fgna/2010_council_of_regional_representatives
All the representatives elected in each region, again with their telephone numbers and e-mail addresses.

http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/fgna/2009_fgna_volunteer_positions
Other Volunteer Positions
This includes the Nominating Committee, the Editors of the Feldenkrais Journal, The Ethics Committee, Member Advocates, Chair of the North American Training Accreditation Board, and the National Regulation Coordinator.

On these pages you can also access policies of the Guild:

Professional Policies:
http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/professional_policies/
Ethics Policies and Procedures
    *  Code of Professional Conduct
    * The Feldenkrais Method of Somatic Education
      Standards of Practice
    * Ethics and Grievance Protocol

Training Standards

    * Protocol For Changing Internationally-Approved Training Accreditation Policies And Guidelines (Including Trainer And Assistant Certification)
    * Guidelines for Becoming an Assistant Trainer
    * Overview of Process to Become a Trainer
    * International Training Accreditation Guidelines

Regulation

    * FGNA Position on Regulation

Service Marks

    * Canadian Service Mark Guidelines
    * U.S. Service Mark Guidelines

For recent information, if you are a member,  check your mail box for “FGNA News”,  which is sent bi-weekly. Also check  InTouch,  the  quarterly newsletter of the FELDENKRAIS GUILD® of North America. InTouch  serves the Guild’s membership. In Touch reports news about the international Feldenkrais® community and serves as a forum for the presentation and discussion of issues related to the Feldenkrais Method® of somatic education. Go to: http://www.feldenkrais.com/intouch/  Often a scan through recent communications such as FGNA News and InTouch will help you, and, failing that, you can always contact me, or a member of the Board, the Executive Director, or members of CORR.

I hope this will help you when you have questions about &quot;what&#039;s happening&quot; and I hope you consider returning as a member in the near future.

 Best,

Robert Black
Chair, Board of Directors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ryan,</p>
<p>Your posting has come to the attention of the Board of the Feldenkrais Guild, and we thought we would like to add some information that may be helpful to you.  As the Chair of the Board I would like to encourage you to contact me, or any member of the Board, or our Executive Director, Jan LaRue if you have any questions. We can give you the most accurate information.</p>
<p>In your post you express  a significant degree of confusion and frustration about not being aware of the directions that the Guild is going, and how it is getting there. A significant reason underlying this frustration is that you have chosen to not be a member of the Guild, and thus have not been a part of discussions with the Guild’s newsletter, InTouch, and the bi-weekly communications, FGNA News.</p>
<p>As you seem to have had some difficulty finding who can give you accurate information about the Feldenkrais Guild, I thought I would give you some guidance on how to get information. If you were to reply that it is hard to find this information — I agree wholeheartedly. In fact there is a team of representatives from the Council of Regional Representatives that has been working on redesigning and reorganizing the Guild website. And one of the top priorities of the Guild this year is to actualize all this preliminary work.</p>
<p>The priorities for the Feldenkrais Guild this year are as follows:</p>
<p>2010 FGNA Board Priorities<br />
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />
Develop an attractive and technically capable web site</p>
<p>Continue to improve financial stability of FGNA</p>
<p>Improve Member Service</p>
<p>Improve the culture and contact of FGNA</p>
<p>Support an effective process for changing training policy<br />
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />
For more information, go to: <a  href="http://www.feldenkrais.com/resources/board_priorities_2010" rel="nofollow">http://www.feldenkrais.com/resources/board_priorities_2010</a>. This was sent to all members of the Guild.</p>
<p>Getting information about the Feldenkrais Guild is not too difficult at present (it will be better in the future). What is valuable about these links is that  you find e-mail addresses of many of the volunteers in the organization. All of us are happy to help to clarify any questions you may have.</p>
<p>How to get information:<br />
Go to <a  href="http://www.feldenkrais.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.feldenkrais.com</a><br />
Click on the link, &#8220;the Profession&#8221;<br />
A drop-down menu appears with 5 options<br />
Select &#8220;About the Feldenkrais Guild of North America&#8221;</p>
<p>On the left side are a number of links about the profession.<br />
On the right are several links about the people who participate in formal activities &#8212; the Board, the Council of Regional representatives, and Other Volunteer Positions.</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/fgna/2010_fgna_board_of_directors" rel="nofollow">http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/fgna/2010_fgna_board_of_directors</a><br />
All of the members of the Board of Directors, with e-mail addresses and telephone numbers.</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/fgna/2010_council_of_regional_representatives" rel="nofollow">http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/fgna/2010_council_of_regional_representatives</a><br />
All the representatives elected in each region, again with their telephone numbers and e-mail addresses.</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/fgna/2009_fgna_volunteer_positions" rel="nofollow">http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/fgna/2009_fgna_volunteer_positions</a><br />
Other Volunteer Positions<br />
This includes the Nominating Committee, the Editors of the Feldenkrais Journal, The Ethics Committee, Member Advocates, Chair of the North American Training Accreditation Board, and the National Regulation Coordinator.</p>
<p>On these pages you can also access policies of the Guild:</p>
<p>Professional Policies:<br />
<a  href="http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/professional_policies/" rel="nofollow">http://www.feldenkrais.com/profession/professional_policies/</a><br />
Ethics Policies and Procedures<br />
    *  Code of Professional Conduct<br />
    * The Feldenkrais Method of Somatic Education<br />
      Standards of Practice<br />
    * Ethics and Grievance Protocol</p>
<p>Training Standards</p>
<p>    * Protocol For Changing Internationally-Approved Training Accreditation Policies And Guidelines (Including Trainer And Assistant Certification)<br />
    * Guidelines for Becoming an Assistant Trainer<br />
    * Overview of Process to Become a Trainer<br />
    * International Training Accreditation Guidelines</p>
<p>Regulation</p>
<p>    * FGNA Position on Regulation</p>
<p>Service Marks</p>
<p>    * Canadian Service Mark Guidelines<br />
    * U.S. Service Mark Guidelines</p>
<p>For recent information, if you are a member,  check your mail box for “FGNA News”,  which is sent bi-weekly. Also check  InTouch,  the  quarterly newsletter of the FELDENKRAIS GUILD® of North America. InTouch  serves the Guild’s membership. In Touch reports news about the international Feldenkrais® community and serves as a forum for the presentation and discussion of issues related to the Feldenkrais Method® of somatic education. Go to: <a  href="http://www.feldenkrais.com/intouch/" rel="nofollow">http://www.feldenkrais.com/intouch/</a>  Often a scan through recent communications such as FGNA News and InTouch will help you, and, failing that, you can always contact me, or a member of the Board, the Executive Director, or members of CORR.</p>
<p>I hope this will help you when you have questions about &#8220;what&#8217;s happening&#8221; and I hope you consider returning as a member in the near future.</p>
<p> Best,</p>
<p>Robert Black<br />
Chair, Board of Directors</p>
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		<title>By: Violet van Hees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet van Hees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies if that is how what I am saying is being understood.  I do not read &quot;being more inclusive&quot;, nor what you are saying, nor what most folks in the Feldy world are saying, to be at what I identified as &quot;the far other end&quot;.  Which is why I called it &quot;the far other end&quot;.  (However, I have been part of and heard of discussions that wander into the territory of &quot;let&#039;s stop pretending that there is a Feldenkrais Method - we&#039;re a bunch of individuals doing our individual things with some cool stuff we&#039;ve learned&quot;, and that&#039;s why I identified it as being there.)

I agree with what I think you are advocating - it makes sense to revisit our rules and practices and see whether they need to be as tight as they are, and examine where and how we could loosen the reins - while in some way working to support the integrity and quality of the work.   

My sense is that many of our current structures and policies were set up with the expectation that the structure would generate the intended result.   The numbers of practitioners were small, and the qualities and characteristics of the intended result were difficult or ambiguous to identify, so the focus was on the structure instead with the hope that those structures would Do The Job adequately.   

My proposition is that if we can now become more clear about the essential qualities and characteristics, and how we recognize it (e.g. general practitioner competency, trainer level competency, etc.), then it is easier to have more variety/freedom/inclusiveness in how to get there (training programs, trainer requirements, etc.).  

thanks -
Violet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies if that is how what I am saying is being understood.  I do not read &#8220;being more inclusive&#8221;, nor what you are saying, nor what most folks in the Feldy world are saying, to be at what I identified as &#8220;the far other end&#8221;.  Which is why I called it &#8220;the far other end&#8221;.  (However, I have been part of and heard of discussions that wander into the territory of &#8220;let&#8217;s stop pretending that there is a Feldenkrais Method &#8211; we&#8217;re a bunch of individuals doing our individual things with some cool stuff we&#8217;ve learned&#8221;, and that&#8217;s why I identified it as being there.)</p>
<p>I agree with what I think you are advocating &#8211; it makes sense to revisit our rules and practices and see whether they need to be as tight as they are, and examine where and how we could loosen the reins &#8211; while in some way working to support the integrity and quality of the work.   </p>
<p>My sense is that many of our current structures and policies were set up with the expectation that the structure would generate the intended result.   The numbers of practitioners were small, and the qualities and characteristics of the intended result were difficult or ambiguous to identify, so the focus was on the structure instead with the hope that those structures would Do The Job adequately.   </p>
<p>My proposition is that if we can now become more clear about the essential qualities and characteristics, and how we recognize it (e.g. general practitioner competency, trainer level competency, etc.), then it is easier to have more variety/freedom/inclusiveness in how to get there (training programs, trainer requirements, etc.).  </p>
<p>thanks -<br />
Violet</p>
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		<title>By: nagster</title>
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		<dc:creator>nagster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kim. I didn&#039;t realize you were a fan of Joseph Campbell. I read a great deal of his stuff when I was younger. I completely ruined my life (just kidding). I think you are correct. Internet technology has changed the nature, manner and scope of communication. And in fact, has changed WHO can communicate and how. The genie is not going to go back into the bottle and hiding from it certainly won&#039;t help, so - for better or worse - organizing organizations is tricky.

 - Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kim. I didn&#8217;t realize you were a fan of Joseph Campbell. I read a great deal of his stuff when I was younger. I completely ruined my life (just kidding). I think you are correct. Internet technology has changed the nature, manner and scope of communication. And in fact, has changed WHO can communicate and how. The genie is not going to go back into the bottle and hiding from it certainly won&#8217;t help, so &#8211; for better or worse &#8211; organizing organizations is tricky.</p>
<p> &#8211; Ryan</p>
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		<dc:creator>nagster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Violet - You seem to be taking a call to be more inclusive to mean that &quot;we can decide to sign up into the Guild everyone who wants to be called a Feldenkrais Practitioner.&quot; No one is saying that we do that. Not me nor anyone else that I have heard. I&#039;m not sure why you would take such an extreme position, but it certainly has nothing to do with the current situation nor what I wrote.

cheers - Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Violet &#8211; You seem to be taking a call to be more inclusive to mean that &#8220;we can decide to sign up into the Guild everyone who wants to be called a Feldenkrais Practitioner.&#8221; No one is saying that we do that. Not me nor anyone else that I have heard. I&#8217;m not sure why you would take such an extreme position, but it certainly has nothing to do with the current situation nor what I wrote.</p>
<p>cheers &#8211; Ryan</p>
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		<dc:creator>nagster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nancy - Thanks for your post. I had several conversations with the chair of the nominating committee in 2007, whomever it may have been. I did put my name up for consideration and was told no. If I am not on any of your lists, it is a clerical error on your end. Had I been fully committed to the idea, I would have gone to the conference and put my name up again publicly, but I had a great deal on my plate and decided not to do so. 

Thanks again for responding online - Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nancy &#8211; Thanks for your post. I had several conversations with the chair of the nominating committee in 2007, whomever it may have been. I did put my name up for consideration and was told no. If I am not on any of your lists, it is a clerical error on your end. Had I been fully committed to the idea, I would have gone to the conference and put my name up again publicly, but I had a great deal on my plate and decided not to do so. </p>
<p>Thanks again for responding online &#8211; Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Violet van Hees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet van Hees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again - one more comment from me :-)   Kim, I like your post.  And what you wrote caused me to think about your comment Ryan that you think &quot;professionalizing&quot; degrades the work.  I think that depends on how it is done.   

As I understand it (and someone please correct me if I have this wrong), it was Moshe who directed that the Guild be set up, in order to protect the integrity of what was done using his name and as a representation of his work.  He supported establishing the service marks as one tool needed for that.  He intended that if people say they are doing Feldenkrais work, they have enough understanding and competence to do it in a way that would appropriately represent the essential qualities and characteristics of his work.  

So, it is my understanding that Moshe himself did not see having some kind of standards and controls for those who say they are doing Feldenkrais work as the antithesis of his work or degrading his work - he saw it as necessary to support the integrity and growth of his work. 

The challenge is how to do this well, and in a practical way.

My sense is that if we - as a collective of practitioners -  become clear about the essential qualities and characteristics of what this work is that we do (with allowance for being clear about ambiguity where that is needed, following on Kim&#039;s post above) - and how we recognize an appropriate level of competency in someone who wants to say they are a practitioner of the work, then we would be in a good position to loosen the reins more around many of the &quot;how to do it&quot; things, e.g. trainings, continuing education, process for becoming a trainer,  etc.  

All of this, in my mind, is very much in keeping with Moshe&#039;s teachings:  If we know what we are doing, we can do what we want. There is more than one way to do things.  Good organization and good action/practice has recognizable qualities and characteristics.  I suggest this applies to our Guild and our profession as a whole, as much as to individuals. 

thanks -
Violet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again &#8211; one more comment from me <img src='http://utahfeldenkrais.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />    Kim, I like your post.  And what you wrote caused me to think about your comment Ryan that you think &#8220;professionalizing&#8221; degrades the work.  I think that depends on how it is done.   </p>
<p>As I understand it (and someone please correct me if I have this wrong), it was Moshe who directed that the Guild be set up, in order to protect the integrity of what was done using his name and as a representation of his work.  He supported establishing the service marks as one tool needed for that.  He intended that if people say they are doing Feldenkrais work, they have enough understanding and competence to do it in a way that would appropriately represent the essential qualities and characteristics of his work.  </p>
<p>So, it is my understanding that Moshe himself did not see having some kind of standards and controls for those who say they are doing Feldenkrais work as the antithesis of his work or degrading his work &#8211; he saw it as necessary to support the integrity and growth of his work. </p>
<p>The challenge is how to do this well, and in a practical way.</p>
<p>My sense is that if we &#8211; as a collective of practitioners &#8211;  become clear about the essential qualities and characteristics of what this work is that we do (with allowance for being clear about ambiguity where that is needed, following on Kim&#8217;s post above) &#8211; and how we recognize an appropriate level of competency in someone who wants to say they are a practitioner of the work, then we would be in a good position to loosen the reins more around many of the &#8220;how to do it&#8221; things, e.g. trainings, continuing education, process for becoming a trainer,  etc.  </p>
<p>All of this, in my mind, is very much in keeping with Moshe&#8217;s teachings:  If we know what we are doing, we can do what we want. There is more than one way to do things.  Good organization and good action/practice has recognizable qualities and characteristics.  I suggest this applies to our Guild and our profession as a whole, as much as to individuals. </p>
<p>thanks -<br />
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 02:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph Campbell says that when you find the Grail, you have 3 choices (my words here). 
1. You can renounce it and say it doesn&#039;t fit your life, so you leave it and go on as you were. 
2. You can water it down for the masses so that everyone can understand it and will be drawn to it. This means that it gets changed and therefore is not what you found and is no longer special. 
3. You can guard it and savor it and only talk about it with those who are interested. 

There will be those of you who think that the guarding and savoring is not a good idea because we already have a scarcity of clients. I suggest it&#039;s just the opposite. I was delighted the other day to find the website of Laughing Squid. They are unabashedly honest in their mission statement when they say, they aren&#039;t very clear about what they do and they are JUST FINE with the ambiguity. But, they are clear about what is ambiguous. I found that interesting. What if we treat the ambiguity of our work as it&#039;s strength, rather than it&#039;s weakness. . . .

And, with regards to the FGNA, whew . . . where do you even begin. I think what you&#039;ve tapped into, Ryan, is that communication is difficult and has been an issue in this organization. It&#039;s everyone&#039;s responsibility and we&#039;ve weathered some difficult times as a membership and as practitioners. There is always potential, however, and your questions will add to the stew that is there for the simmering. 

Kim Cottrell
Portland, Oregon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Campbell says that when you find the Grail, you have 3 choices (my words here).<br />
1. You can renounce it and say it doesn&#8217;t fit your life, so you leave it and go on as you were.<br />
2. You can water it down for the masses so that everyone can understand it and will be drawn to it. This means that it gets changed and therefore is not what you found and is no longer special.<br />
3. You can guard it and savor it and only talk about it with those who are interested. </p>
<p>There will be those of you who think that the guarding and savoring is not a good idea because we already have a scarcity of clients. I suggest it&#8217;s just the opposite. I was delighted the other day to find the website of Laughing Squid. They are unabashedly honest in their mission statement when they say, they aren&#8217;t very clear about what they do and they are JUST FINE with the ambiguity. But, they are clear about what is ambiguous. I found that interesting. What if we treat the ambiguity of our work as it&#8217;s strength, rather than it&#8217;s weakness. . . .</p>
<p>And, with regards to the FGNA, whew . . . where do you even begin. I think what you&#8217;ve tapped into, Ryan, is that communication is difficult and has been an issue in this organization. It&#8217;s everyone&#8217;s responsibility and we&#8217;ve weathered some difficult times as a membership and as practitioners. There is always potential, however, and your questions will add to the stew that is there for the simmering. </p>
<p>Kim Cottrell<br />
Portland, Oregon</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Schumacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Schumacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Andrea has outlined the nominating and election process which has been in use for many, many years. Ryan seems from what he writes and his responses to not be totally clear about the process. No one has ever been turned away by the nominating committee unless they themselves decided not to run. We are excited to get people who want to run, and we spend countless hours phoning potential candidates. Last year we called well over 150 practitioners, none of whom could see at that point in their life or careers to run for office.  Those calls were after solicitations for potential nominees in In Touch, to the Board, to the Regional Council, and to over 40 trainers and assistant trainers.  Anyone who has called myself or another member of the Nominating Committee or a Board member or a regional council member or simply another member either goes up for election or is always put on a list of potential nominees to recall in future years until that individual requests not to be called again. The current list we are using dates back to 2003.  None of us on the committee seem to be able to find Ryan&#039;s name on any list of interested persons.  Ryan indicates he may not have seen the several avenues of solicitations for nominations and I encourage Ryan or anyone else to suggest a better and/or additional methods to entice membership to run for office.  This is a membership driven organization.  Those who want to take an active, participatory role in the direction the Guild charts are encouraged to participate in its functioning by volunteering to run for the open Board positions, Grievance Board positions, and Nominating positions.  Time commitment for these volunteer positions varies; for the Board, I would estimate a minimum of 5-10 hours per month,  plus three-five day retreats twice a year with no or partial funding for travel and accommodations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Andrea has outlined the nominating and election process which has been in use for many, many years. Ryan seems from what he writes and his responses to not be totally clear about the process. No one has ever been turned away by the nominating committee unless they themselves decided not to run. We are excited to get people who want to run, and we spend countless hours phoning potential candidates. Last year we called well over 150 practitioners, none of whom could see at that point in their life or careers to run for office.  Those calls were after solicitations for potential nominees in In Touch, to the Board, to the Regional Council, and to over 40 trainers and assistant trainers.  Anyone who has called myself or another member of the Nominating Committee or a Board member or a regional council member or simply another member either goes up for election or is always put on a list of potential nominees to recall in future years until that individual requests not to be called again. The current list we are using dates back to 2003.  None of us on the committee seem to be able to find Ryan&#8217;s name on any list of interested persons.  Ryan indicates he may not have seen the several avenues of solicitations for nominations and I encourage Ryan or anyone else to suggest a better and/or additional methods to entice membership to run for office.  This is a membership driven organization.  Those who want to take an active, participatory role in the direction the Guild charts are encouraged to participate in its functioning by volunteering to run for the open Board positions, Grievance Board positions, and Nominating positions.  Time commitment for these volunteer positions varies; for the Board, I would estimate a minimum of 5-10 hours per month,  plus three-five day retreats twice a year with no or partial funding for travel and accommodations.</p>
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		<title>By: Violet van Hees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet van Hees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan -
Re:  &quot;professionalizing&quot; the work:  I figure we have two main choices (with of course a bunch of variations in between):  

1) we can decide that we intend &quot;The Feldenkrais Method&quot; and &quot;being a Feldenkrais Practitioner&quot; to mean something coherent and consistent with some way for the public to know what to expect when that term is used. This describes what I mean by it being a &quot;profession&quot;.  

For this option to work well, we as a group have to be able to identify the essential elements of what this work is, and how it is distinct and different from everything else out there, and we need a fair and reasonable process to assess whether someone who wants to use the title of &quot;Feldenkrais Practitioner&quot; has basic competence in The Things That Matter.   

I agree that simply putting in the time to complete a training is not the same a  competence - so I support distinguishing between finishing a training program, and a certification process through which a person demonstrates at least entry-level competence in The Things That Matter.
 
2) At the far other end of our two main choices, we can decide to sign up into the Guild everyone who wants to be called a Feldenkrais Practitioner.  Which would mean that the title carries no public meaning, because it can mean whatever each individual wants.  If we go this route, there is no Feldenkrais Method, no profession, simply a collection of individuals who are doing their own thing.  If we choose this route, let&#039;s remove our pretenses, drop the name &quot;Guild&quot; (which implies a professional body) and stop using the term &quot;Feldenkrais Practitioner&quot; as if it means something, and set up some other kind of association instead. 

I prefer the first option, because I think there is incredible power and value in this Feldenkrais work and I support continuing to build a coherent way to have it grow - as a profession.   

thanks -
Violet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan -<br />
Re:  &#8220;professionalizing&#8221; the work:  I figure we have two main choices (with of course a bunch of variations in between):  </p>
<p>1) we can decide that we intend &#8220;The Feldenkrais Method&#8221; and &#8220;being a Feldenkrais Practitioner&#8221; to mean something coherent and consistent with some way for the public to know what to expect when that term is used. This describes what I mean by it being a &#8220;profession&#8221;.  </p>
<p>For this option to work well, we as a group have to be able to identify the essential elements of what this work is, and how it is distinct and different from everything else out there, and we need a fair and reasonable process to assess whether someone who wants to use the title of &#8220;Feldenkrais Practitioner&#8221; has basic competence in The Things That Matter.   </p>
<p>I agree that simply putting in the time to complete a training is not the same a  competence &#8211; so I support distinguishing between finishing a training program, and a certification process through which a person demonstrates at least entry-level competence in The Things That Matter.</p>
<p>2) At the far other end of our two main choices, we can decide to sign up into the Guild everyone who wants to be called a Feldenkrais Practitioner.  Which would mean that the title carries no public meaning, because it can mean whatever each individual wants.  If we go this route, there is no Feldenkrais Method, no profession, simply a collection of individuals who are doing their own thing.  If we choose this route, let&#8217;s remove our pretenses, drop the name &#8220;Guild&#8221; (which implies a professional body) and stop using the term &#8220;Feldenkrais Practitioner&#8221; as if it means something, and set up some other kind of association instead. </p>
<p>I prefer the first option, because I think there is incredible power and value in this Feldenkrais work and I support continuing to build a coherent way to have it grow &#8211; as a profession.   </p>
<p>thanks -<br />
Violet</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Wiener, FGNA member</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea Wiener, FGNA member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan,

The call for nominations is published annually in In Touch. Practitioners do have the right to nominate, and these nominations are not subject to approval of nominating committee. The nominating committee does not have the power to ultimately decide who can run. Bylaws approved by the membership define the role of the nominating committee. I know bylaws have been distributed to members in the past. I don&#039;t know the current process. Perhaps someone else can answer. Good question.
BYLAWS ARTICLE  11.     NOMINATIONS AND ELECTIONS
11.1  Nominating Committee.  The Nominating Committee shall consist of 5 members:  3 elected by the membership for a three-year term, one rotating each year; and 2 appointed by the Nominating Committee for a two-year term, one rotating each year.   Anyone intending to run for office cannot serve on the nominating committee, except that nominating committee members may seek reelection to that committee.  Vacancies in an elected position will be filled by special election.  Vacancies in the appointed position will be filled by the Nominating Committee.  The Nominating Committee shall choose its own chair and shall operate in accordance with the Nominations and Elections Protocol. 
11.2 Nomination Procedure.  Nominations for elected positions will be presented at the annual meeting or at any special meeting held in lieu of the annual meeting, by the nominating committee.  Nominations may also be made from the floor. Those nominated must be informed of the requirements of the position and must consent to serve.  Nominations will remain open for ten (10) days after the Annual Meeting. 
11.3 Elections.  The election shall be held by, internet or mail ballot for members with an email addresson file or by mail ballot for members without an email address on file,, under the direction of the Election Committee, sent within 30 days of the annual meeting, and in accordance with the Nominations and Elections Protocol. 

Glad you&#039;re raising questions. 
Best regards
Andrea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan,</p>
<p>The call for nominations is published annually in In Touch. Practitioners do have the right to nominate, and these nominations are not subject to approval of nominating committee. The nominating committee does not have the power to ultimately decide who can run. Bylaws approved by the membership define the role of the nominating committee. I know bylaws have been distributed to members in the past. I don&#8217;t know the current process. Perhaps someone else can answer. Good question.<br />
BYLAWS ARTICLE  11.     NOMINATIONS AND ELECTIONS<br />
11.1  Nominating Committee.  The Nominating Committee shall consist of 5 members:  3 elected by the membership for a three-year term, one rotating each year; and 2 appointed by the Nominating Committee for a two-year term, one rotating each year.   Anyone intending to run for office cannot serve on the nominating committee, except that nominating committee members may seek reelection to that committee.  Vacancies in an elected position will be filled by special election.  Vacancies in the appointed position will be filled by the Nominating Committee.  The Nominating Committee shall choose its own chair and shall operate in accordance with the Nominations and Elections Protocol.<br />
11.2 Nomination Procedure.  Nominations for elected positions will be presented at the annual meeting or at any special meeting held in lieu of the annual meeting, by the nominating committee.  Nominations may also be made from the floor. Those nominated must be informed of the requirements of the position and must consent to serve.  Nominations will remain open for ten (10) days after the Annual Meeting.<br />
11.3 Elections.  The election shall be held by, internet or mail ballot for members with an email addresson file or by mail ballot for members without an email address on file,, under the direction of the Election Committee, sent within 30 days of the annual meeting, and in accordance with the Nominations and Elections Protocol. </p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;re raising questions.<br />
Best regards<br />
Andrea</p>
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		<title>By: nagster</title>
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		<dc:creator>nagster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Andrea. I don&#039;t specifically remember getting emails soliciting nominations, but it&#039;s possible that I have gotten them and forgotten. 

The passage that you quote doesn&#039;t specify the role of the nominating committee and why it exists. Based on my own experience, it seems that it is the nominating committee who ultimately decides who can run. Any member may nominate someone, but the nominating committee will decide if that person can actually run. 

The question becomes how do they make that decision and upon what rules. Are they published? And secondarily why have a committee to begin with. What mechanism would it serve other than to limit who can run? 

FGNA practitioners should have the right to nominate and vote for whomever they choose. It is a simple, basic right and would go a long way towards creating a system of accountability.

Thanks again. - Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Andrea. I don&#8217;t specifically remember getting emails soliciting nominations, but it&#8217;s possible that I have gotten them and forgotten. </p>
<p>The passage that you quote doesn&#8217;t specify the role of the nominating committee and why it exists. Based on my own experience, it seems that it is the nominating committee who ultimately decides who can run. Any member may nominate someone, but the nominating committee will decide if that person can actually run. </p>
<p>The question becomes how do they make that decision and upon what rules. Are they published? And secondarily why have a committee to begin with. What mechanism would it serve other than to limit who can run? </p>
<p>FGNA practitioners should have the right to nominate and vote for whomever they choose. It is a simple, basic right and would go a long way towards creating a system of accountability.</p>
<p>Thanks again. &#8211; Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Wiener, FGNA member</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea Wiener, FGNA member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Each year a call for nominations is published and sent to FGNA members. Any member can nominate themselves or another member. Here&#039;s the 2009 version:
http://www.feldenkrais.com/intouch/article/call_nominations_sp_it_2009/

Here&#039;s a quote:
The Nominating Committee identifies qualified nominees for open positions, and will present them at this year’s Annual Meeting on August 4, 2009. If you are interested in serving, or know of potential candidates for these positions, please contact FGNA or a member of the Nominating Committee: Nancy Schumacher (Chair), Karen Boyd, Pamela May Rosa Murgnhan, and Cathy Paine.

Nominations may also be made by any voting member at the Annual Meeting, or through the FGNA office. Nominations close 10 days after the Annual Meeting, August 14, 2009, at 11:59pm Pacific Standard Time. In order to have their names appear on the ballot, nominees must consent to serve and submit a completed Nomination Form. 

Sincerely,
Andrea Wiener
FGNA member</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each year a call for nominations is published and sent to FGNA members. Any member can nominate themselves or another member. Here&#8217;s the 2009 version:<br />
<a  href="http://www.feldenkrais.com/intouch/article/call_nominations_sp_it_2009/" rel="nofollow">http://www.feldenkrais.com/intouch/article/call_nominations_sp_it_2009/</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote:<br />
The Nominating Committee identifies qualified nominees for open positions, and will present them at this year’s Annual Meeting on August 4, 2009. If you are interested in serving, or know of potential candidates for these positions, please contact FGNA or a member of the Nominating Committee: Nancy Schumacher (Chair), Karen Boyd, Pamela May Rosa Murgnhan, and Cathy Paine.</p>
<p>Nominations may also be made by any voting member at the Annual Meeting, or through the FGNA office. Nominations close 10 days after the Annual Meeting, August 14, 2009, at 11:59pm Pacific Standard Time. In order to have their names appear on the ballot, nominees must consent to serve and submit a completed Nomination Form. </p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Andrea Wiener<br />
FGNA member</p>
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		<title>By: nagster</title>
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		<dc:creator>nagster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Violet - Thanks for your comments. My goal in having more members would be to help make the FGNA stronger financially and in terms of diversity of opinion. And given that we seem temporarily stuck with high-priced IFF materials, we could have more people buying and sharing the burden of producing materials. 

In terms of the training and competency issue, the current &quot;certified&quot; trainings essentially graduate anyone who enrolls. The process is a legal one, not one of competency. If you pay your money for 4 years and &quot;graduate&quot; you have a legal right to use the service marks. I do not think that the current trainings  guarantee a minimum level of competency. And historically, they never had to do so. The Guild simply owned the service marks and could require payment for their use. And, of course, they still do. 

My personal view, which is not likely to be popular, is that &quot;professionalizing&quot; the work degrades it. Organic learning does not adhere to a time frame, no matter how well meaning nor intended. Moshe spoke to this idea over and over again in his writings. The current system is like an academic one. It require and rewards those who conform to the dictates of those who can certify them.

That&#039;s my two cents. Sorry if my reply is short or vague. I am preparing some more writing on the subject for later.

- Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Violet &#8211; Thanks for your comments. My goal in having more members would be to help make the FGNA stronger financially and in terms of diversity of opinion. And given that we seem temporarily stuck with high-priced IFF materials, we could have more people buying and sharing the burden of producing materials. </p>
<p>In terms of the training and competency issue, the current &#8220;certified&#8221; trainings essentially graduate anyone who enrolls. The process is a legal one, not one of competency. If you pay your money for 4 years and &#8220;graduate&#8221; you have a legal right to use the service marks. I do not think that the current trainings  guarantee a minimum level of competency. And historically, they never had to do so. The Guild simply owned the service marks and could require payment for their use. And, of course, they still do. </p>
<p>My personal view, which is not likely to be popular, is that &#8220;professionalizing&#8221; the work degrades it. Organic learning does not adhere to a time frame, no matter how well meaning nor intended. Moshe spoke to this idea over and over again in his writings. The current system is like an academic one. It require and rewards those who conform to the dictates of those who can certify them.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my two cents. Sorry if my reply is short or vague. I am preparing some more writing on the subject for later.</p>
<p>- Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: info@utahfeldenkrais.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>info@utahfeldenkrais.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Holly - Great to see your comment, as always. I&#039;ve often found myself grateful that I did not meet nor know Moshe personally. I love his teaching and his writing, but I like that he was distant from me. Gives me more space to develop.

I do think my post did not give enough attention to how difficult it can be to find people to serve....and to serve long-term. I was quite burnt out after just a couple of years. But again - more outreach from FGNA would be helpful. If people believe they can truly make a difference then more would serve.

You wrote:
&quot;specific to our profession is whether you got on the list of trainers that did not have to satisfy the requirements that currently exceed that of a medical doctor with a surgical specialty. &quot;

Well said. We have many creative and skilled practitioners out there, who by all rights should be trainers. And need to be given the chance to train. If not through the Guild, then somewhere else. The conflict of interest on the trainer side is overwhelming. Could you imagine if you wanted to open a business, but had to get permission from the other businesses in your city before you could open? 

More that I could say, but will let this simmer for a while. If you know any pract or assistant trainers who want to talk about their experiences attempting to become a trainer, please send them my way. Would love to hear, and potentially share, their stories. 

- Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Holly &#8211; Great to see your comment, as always. I&#8217;ve often found myself grateful that I did not meet nor know Moshe personally. I love his teaching and his writing, but I like that he was distant from me. Gives me more space to develop.</p>
<p>I do think my post did not give enough attention to how difficult it can be to find people to serve&#8230;.and to serve long-term. I was quite burnt out after just a couple of years. But again &#8211; more outreach from FGNA would be helpful. If people believe they can truly make a difference then more would serve.</p>
<p>You wrote:<br />
&#8220;specific to our profession is whether you got on the list of trainers that did not have to satisfy the requirements that currently exceed that of a medical doctor with a surgical specialty. &#8221;</p>
<p>Well said. We have many creative and skilled practitioners out there, who by all rights should be trainers. And need to be given the chance to train. If not through the Guild, then somewhere else. The conflict of interest on the trainer side is overwhelming. Could you imagine if you wanted to open a business, but had to get permission from the other businesses in your city before you could open? </p>
<p>More that I could say, but will let this simmer for a while. If you know any pract or assistant trainers who want to talk about their experiences attempting to become a trainer, please send them my way. Would love to hear, and potentially share, their stories. </p>
<p>- Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Violet van Hees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet van Hees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan - Like you often do, you are stirring things up a bit.  You raise some important questions, and jab at some things that warrant attention.   

In looking at what trainings/practitioners to recognize and accept as members of the Guild, I think we as a profession HAVE to get on with the challenging but I think necessary task of clarifying:

·         WHAT the essential qualities and characteristics of the Feldenkrais work are, 

·         WHAT distinguishes Feldenkrais work from everything else out there, and 

·         HOW we recognize and assess basic competency to do those essential things.   

These three pieces would provide a defensible framework through which to examine and make decisions about whether a particular training can reasonably be expected to provide the knowledge, skills and experience to graduate students with an appropriate basic entry level of compentency in these essential aspects of the work.  

These three pieces would also assist us in more clearly defining our profession, and to distinguish it from all the other stuff out there.  

In terms of member participation:  I agree - participation matters.  Yes, let&#039;s put our focus and efforts into creating what we want and need for ourselves and our profession.  Let&#039;s each find a way to participate to create the organization we want that is lively and makes sense to us. 

I have little energy to put towards fighting and whining and getting stuck in the past; I have a lot of energy to put towards creating and doing things that inspire me and make sense to me as I move forward.    

thanks -
Violet van Hees
Whitehorse, Yukon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan &#8211; Like you often do, you are stirring things up a bit.  You raise some important questions, and jab at some things that warrant attention.   </p>
<p>In looking at what trainings/practitioners to recognize and accept as members of the Guild, I think we as a profession HAVE to get on with the challenging but I think necessary task of clarifying:</p>
<p>·         WHAT the essential qualities and characteristics of the Feldenkrais work are, </p>
<p>·         WHAT distinguishes Feldenkrais work from everything else out there, and </p>
<p>·         HOW we recognize and assess basic competency to do those essential things.   </p>
<p>These three pieces would provide a defensible framework through which to examine and make decisions about whether a particular training can reasonably be expected to provide the knowledge, skills and experience to graduate students with an appropriate basic entry level of compentency in these essential aspects of the work.  </p>
<p>These three pieces would also assist us in more clearly defining our profession, and to distinguish it from all the other stuff out there.  </p>
<p>In terms of member participation:  I agree &#8211; participation matters.  Yes, let&#8217;s put our focus and efforts into creating what we want and need for ourselves and our profession.  Let&#8217;s each find a way to participate to create the organization we want that is lively and makes sense to us. </p>
<p>I have little energy to put towards fighting and whining and getting stuck in the past; I have a lot of energy to put towards creating and doing things that inspire me and make sense to me as I move forward.    </p>
<p>thanks -<br />
Violet van Hees<br />
Whitehorse, Yukon</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Bonasera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly Bonasera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan,

Thanks for another well-thought out and provoking opinion on the FGNA.  Although I have not served on the Board (nor been asked lol), I have had the opportunity to serve on the regional council (elected volunteer representatives of each FGNA region who get together in person twice a year, and several times on conference calls, at least when I was involved).

The Regional Council is kinda like the house of representatives in congress.  They are elected and they really do serve their constituency.  The Board acts as an executive branch as they can override the recommendations of the regional council. Why can&#039;t we replace the Board with the Council?  Simply too much work.  The council is overwhelmed as it is.

It takes more hands, more volunteers, to make an improvement in this situation.  From my experience, getting people to take on my region&#039;s work is very difficult.  Perhaps if more people were active in the Guild, they could ratify the changes they want and see the value of their dues.  Not acting leads to disenfranchisement.

And who are we kidding?  This profession like many others has always been about who you know.  Specific to our profession is whether you got on the list of trainers that did not have to satisfy the requirements that currently exceed that of a medical doctor with a surgical specialty. I have known several wonderful practitioners who tried to become trainers or assistant trainers and were shot down for reasons unknown to me. 

About why did the FGNA contact trainers, including some not in the FGNA:  I think there is this potential for special treatment and cronyism among those who personally experienced the &quot;touch of Feldenkrais.&quot;  

I did not learn first hand from Moshe.  Actually, I consider him a wise and surly grandfather who I probably would not have liked, but from whom I continue to learn.   In essence, Moshe has touched all of us who have trained in the Method.  I agree, we should have a voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan,</p>
<p>Thanks for another well-thought out and provoking opinion on the FGNA.  Although I have not served on the Board (nor been asked lol), I have had the opportunity to serve on the regional council (elected volunteer representatives of each FGNA region who get together in person twice a year, and several times on conference calls, at least when I was involved).</p>
<p>The Regional Council is kinda like the house of representatives in congress.  They are elected and they really do serve their constituency.  The Board acts as an executive branch as they can override the recommendations of the regional council. Why can&#8217;t we replace the Board with the Council?  Simply too much work.  The council is overwhelmed as it is.</p>
<p>It takes more hands, more volunteers, to make an improvement in this situation.  From my experience, getting people to take on my region&#8217;s work is very difficult.  Perhaps if more people were active in the Guild, they could ratify the changes they want and see the value of their dues.  Not acting leads to disenfranchisement.</p>
<p>And who are we kidding?  This profession like many others has always been about who you know.  Specific to our profession is whether you got on the list of trainers that did not have to satisfy the requirements that currently exceed that of a medical doctor with a surgical specialty. I have known several wonderful practitioners who tried to become trainers or assistant trainers and were shot down for reasons unknown to me. </p>
<p>About why did the FGNA contact trainers, including some not in the FGNA:  I think there is this potential for special treatment and cronyism among those who personally experienced the &#8220;touch of Feldenkrais.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I did not learn first hand from Moshe.  Actually, I consider him a wise and surly grandfather who I probably would not have liked, but from whom I continue to learn.   In essence, Moshe has touched all of us who have trained in the Method.  I agree, we should have a voice.</p>
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